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Jacob Rosenberg's avatar

I think there is another element to consider here, which is that most Atheists would consider their beliefs to be weakly held--if they witnessed Jesus descend from heaven they would change their minds. Their propositional attitude is malleable based on evidence, as opposed to a faith-based propositional attitude, which is resistant to evidence by definition.

To put it another way, some Atheists may bristle at having their views be called a “belief” simply because the word may carry a connotation of inflexibility in the context of religion.

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Bob Eno's avatar

I think the framework for this discussion is a little misleading. If the question is raised in the context of the discipline of philosophy, then it's fine to frame an answer in terms of propositional attitudes. But that means that belief in God or in there being no God is in the same class as belief (or lack of belief) that there are aphids on my garden roses. Pragmatically, we ask whether someone "believes God exists in the universe" with a different type of import, connected to long term intellectual and social behavior, self-conception, and so forth. Simply analyzing that either position will conform to a propositional attitude tells us very little about what we want to know when we ask the question.

I like Mr. Rosenberg's comment about the "weak" nature of an atheist's commitment. I think it points to a fundamental distinction within "propositional attitudes." The religious person accepts the proposition of God's existence "on faith": it is not subject to discomfirmation. The atheist accepts the proposition of God's non-existence on the contingent basis of a lack of determinative evidence, which the occurence of determinative evidence will reverse. The "attitudes" behind the propositional attitudes are entirely different. (There could be a tl;dr riff here about people who have lost their faith but are not atheists, and also about agnostics, but there won't be.)

But there is also a different type of distinction. Because the term "atheism" takes the "-ism" form, it is cast in terms of an affirmative assertion, and for some atheists it can be (e.g., Madeleine Murray). But if we instead used the term "religionless" (or the phrase, "not religious") I think it would come closer to describing the experience of those who do not hold a belief in God.

Here's a thought experiment: An indigenous people is discovered that lacks any religion or belief in God. Have one member (somehow!) listen with understanding to a description of God and then ask the propositional question: Does God exist in the universe? When they answer, "No" concerning a concept that is entirely new to them, is that in any sense "atheism?" If it is, then it seems to me there is nothing actually interesting about the term or its use. But the term is, in fact, one filled with interest and controversy. That social context is lost in the philosophical frame of "propositional attitude," and I think that's why although the frame may produce an answer, it is one that does not satisfy the practical issue the question is driving at.

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